<Sid> Hey Larry

<larknox> yes

<Sid> Hi Sobby

<sobby> hey guys

<larknox> How do you get the log with all the times in it?

<SandraFaust> did we get everybody's homework?

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<Sid> In mIRC Options, there's a section on Logging that you can set to record timestamps

<larknox> I'm working on putting our half together - haven't heard from Jim, though

<SandraFaust> hi ross

<_Ross__> hello/!

<Sid> Who wants to vote that Ross was a few seconds late?

* Sid grin

<brians> larry, i think jim handed it in

<_Ross__> hey! was not!

<brians> you may want to send it to danny

<_Ross__> (lets see if I hand in your homework tonight sid...ha!

<_Ross__> who did you send it to??

<Sid> Hey, I know where you live Ross!

<Sid> And I'm cranky.

<_Ross__> don't make me burn your house down!

<Sid> LOL

<_Ross__> ..again..

<Sid> danny dig, right?

<SandraFaust> :))

<brians> yes

<udaykale> dig@cs.uiuc.edu

<SandraFaust> there is that announcement, it's dig@cs.uiuc.edu

<Sid> Alright, let's get started... officially. =)

<Sid> Schoudel, could you put the HW's on the web site after tonight?

<Sid> We'll make sure you get the other one too.

<brians> sure

<Sid> Just for reference for when we figure out what metrics we're going to do.

<Sid> Oh yea... Agenda.

<Sid> Deceptively simple:

<Sid> 1 HW2; Schoudel get them on web site

<Sid> 2 Team Status

<Sid> 3 New Assignments

<Sid> So we're on #2 now.

<Sid> What's everyone been up to? Starting with Larry

<larknox> I finally managed to build everything , now that I followed your instructions

<larknox> Tried to update, not wure there was anything new?

<Sid> No commits have been made as far as I know

<larknox> Spent most of my time recently trying to get tools to run.

<Sid> Not lately at least. But you can run dbViZ?

<larknox> yes

<Sid> Did you make any progress on the Install use case?

<larknox> I saw one of the diagrams, but need to work on connecting to a database.

<Sid> There is no DB-connection code in there yet. =)

<larknox> Not yet, but with the homework out of the way, I'll make it top priority.

<Sid> Actually, make working on the Install use case your priority, ok?

<larknox> Ok, well if not connecting, at least looking at some samples

<larknox> Wure.

<larknox> Sure.

<larknox> Will seriously look into install.

<Sid> AFter you look at some of those install packages

<Sid> the Install use case doc will need to be updated.

<larknox> ok

<Sid> Think you can do that for next week?

<larknox> Yes

<Sid> Ok, great!

<Sid> So looking at the list of people... I actually skipped Schoudel who's at the top of my user list.

<Sid> So he's next.

<brians> i found a sql importer from the apache open source turbine project

<brians> after much frustration and pestering ross i finally got it up and running

<Sid> Hehe

<Sid> It handles the foreign keys, right?

<brians> i tested it against a sql text file and the results look promising

<brians> yes, foreign key, primary key, not null, the whole works

<Sid> Sounds good!

<brians> i'm going to do some further testing on it

<brians> if all goes well then i'll have to write some interface classes to get

<brians> it into our schema package

<SandraFaust> brain, if you don't mind, keep me in the loop, I;d like to help you with that

<Sid> Ok. then you decided that itd be good to integrate it into our system?

<brians> not yet, but it looks promising

<brians> i'll keep you posted sandra

<Sid> Ok, keep me updated about that too. =)

<brians> i'll give it a more robust sql file tomorrow

<sobby> brian..i am sorry but can you desc in detail abt this

<Sid> Well, Schoudel, assuming you do decide to use this thing, do you think you'd need help?

<udaykale> i can get you some robust ones from our test suite if you want one

<sobby> you need to import some data into database?

<brians> i guess it depends on the help, i can't see it being too involved

<Sid> Schoudel is working on the SQL importer, which reads a text file with SQL statements.

<brians> no database connections

<brians> that needs to be done though

<_Ross__> it's our default

<Sid> Ok, if you don't think you need help with that portion, then I'll get Sandra on something else. =)

<brians> ok, either way

<SandraFaust> ok

<_Ross__> keep hitting me with questions if you get stuck Brian

<SandraFaust> sid, you are the boss :)

<brians> i'll keep her posted though in case she is interested

<brians> ok, either way

<SandraFaust> ok

<_Ross__> keep hitting me with questions if you get stuck Brian

<SandraFaust> sid, you are the boss :)

<brians> i'll keep her posted though in case she is interested

<brians> that won't be a problem ross

<Sid> Well, I'm interested. This is the cool stuff... =)

<_Ross__> hahaa

<SandraFaust> yes, i am interested

<_Ross__> god bless apache

<brians> i'll post the link if anyone wants to look at the source

<udaykale> sure

<brians> anyway thats my two cents

<Sid> Ok, well, keep doing what you're doing Schoudel, and keep us informed on your progress.

<Sid> Sandra, whatchya been up to?

<SandraFaust> Sid, do you want me to update the project page while Brian is figuring that thing out?

<SandraFaust> honsetly nothing much

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<Sid> That'd be nice. The homepage is getting a bit dated.

<SandraFaust> did the homework, gave Brain the link the parser, updated the SOD, nothing really much

<Sid> SOD?

<SandraFaust> ok, I'll take care of that for the next meeting

<SandraFaust> SDP (software dev plan)

<Sid> Ahh. *nods*

<Sid> Well, you wanted to code, so would you like to pick one of the "starter use cases" I put up on the wiki?

<SandraFaust> ok

<SandraFaust> what do you want for the next week, the site or the user case?

<Sid> I can't have both? *grins*

<Sid> Oh yea, you're taking more classes...

<Sid> The use case

<SandraFaust> I'll try but probably not

<SandraFaust> ok

<brians> uday and i can post hw

<udaykale> ya, sure

<Sid> Well, the front page needs to be updated.

<Sid> It still has the 327 roster listed.

<SandraFaust> well, it's not only the homework, the old team is on the main page...

<brians> new guys please send uday and I your offical email and we'll get you on the main page

<Sid> Ok, thanks Schoudel, Uday

<Sid> Sandra, when you choose which use case you want to do, drop me a message please?

<SandraFaust> i will, and I'll update the page

<Sid> Ok, thanks

<Sid> My turn... I've been trying to figure out where we're going on the project.

<Sid> And I was pleasantly surprised to see that we still have a week or two in this iteration.

<Sid> I've been looking at JUnit for our unit testing framework, and I looked through the test plan. I'm going to be updating the latter since it doesn't quite meet all our testing needs.

<Sid> Sobby, whatsup?

<sobby> 1. myself and jim had a look at the testplan..

<sobby> and have made some updates

<Sid> Oh... Did you email them to Schoudel/Uday?

<sobby> but i guess as we move ahead with our project it will have to be modified..

<sobby> no id idnt get ahcane will send it by the end of this week

<Sid> I understood all of that except ahcane

<sobby> also i am not sure what tools we'll be using for automation/performance testing

<sobby> that has to decide.d

<sobby> finally..it looks more like a master test plan..so something has to be developed for unit testing also

<Sid> Automated gui tests are very difficult to write, so we'd probably be doing a lot of manual tests.

<Sid> We will have as many unit tests as can have have, using JUnit.

<sobby> i will take care of automation and performance

<sobby> using rational robot or winrunner if it's okay with everyone

<Sid> I haven't heard of either.

<Sid> And are they free?

<brians> i've heard of robot

<sobby> no but i use it at work so it's not that big a prob.

<brians> its definitely not free though, but real good for gui testing

<Sid> Well, the biggest risk I see is that our test plan is screwed if you become unavailable for some reason.

<sobby> i write a small doc..explaining both and send to everyone

<larknox> We use winrunner, but I haven't used it. It's decidedly not free.

<sobby> i have it at work..so again dont worry :)

<udaykale> would we not be required to add tests to our cvs

<Sid> Ok. But you of course can understand that I'm not at your work.

<Sid> JUnit Unit tests go in CVS with the rest of the code.

<sobby> well for the size of this project..i dont think we need a lot of resources writing automation scripts..

<Sid> I assume robot and winrunner do blackbox system tests?

<sobby> the only thing required is some test cases for string testing..and if i take a look at the use cases..will come up with something

<sobby> yeah

<sobby> ok regarding the oracle database..

<Sid> You can get it out by the end of this week, which means tomorrow or Sunday?

<sobby> i will need more time..

<sobby> prob by monday

<Sid> Ok. If that estimate changes, please drop me a note.

<sobby> i was hoping my account in the uiuc oracle database will still be active

<sobby> since last sem..but doesnt look like that..

<Sid> Any other options you can follow?

<sobby> i have mailed the ta from last course to find out fromsure..

<sobby> that's one avenue

<sobby> secondly..as i told i have the database installed on my machine..

<sobby> but how to make it accesible to everyone..that

<sobby> s the question

<_Ross__> do you have a static ip?

<sobby> give me till monday..will get back to you

<sobby> yeah

<_Ross__> that's how we can connect :)

<sobby> i might have to install a server

<_Ross__> ooohhh gotcha

<brians> its probably on port 1521

<_Ross__> ... I think oracle comes with it installed by default

* Sid nods

<sobby> that's the default port..but you will have to install a tns listner..for that

<brians> thats true

<Sid> Ok, then send me a short status update on Monday, please

<sobby> let me see what i can find on the web..monday..

<sobby> OK one request..

<Sid> Yea?

<sobby> Can everyone be kept in the loop regarding the progress of the project on all fronts

<Sid> That's sort of the point of this meeting. =)

<sobby> considering our size i dont think it will be so difficutl

<sobby> this meeting is more of ..

<sobby> status meeting

<Sid> Ahh, you want details!

<sobby> yes

<Sid> Generally, documents go on the web site, so thats one way.

<Sid> And I prefer to keep tasks short enough so things do get done within a week so results can be sent out.

<sobby> ok..just include me in all the project related emails

<Sid> As for other progress... I think only Schoudel's made more technical progress that merits description.

<Sid> But we'll see what we can do to make sure the info gets all around.

<sobby> pl

<sobby> so that's it from me

<Sid> Jim, you were looking over the test plan with Sobby?

<jrarick> Yep

<jrarick> It looked pretty complete I thought from a total plan, but not unit testing

<jrarick> We have not addressed unit testing to this point

<Sid> Ok. Is there anything on this project that you would prefer to do?

<jrarick> I can do whatever you need

<Sid> Or things you would prefer not to do?

<jrarick> I sort of planned to work out unit testing with sobby

<jrarick> But that was a first guess

<Sid> Ok. Then I look forward to seeing what you two come up with. I'm sure it'll be a great test scheme. *grin*

<jrarick> I believe so

<sobby> :)

<Sid> Next... Uday.

<udaykale> i downloaded oracle and i do have a static IP, but I usually take my laptop home, so it will be available to others in daytime only

<brians> can you send me the tns entry?

* Sid chuckles.

<udaykale> sure

<udaykale> was trying some of the DB importer stuff

<SandraFaust> hey, they make us too take the laptops home. :)

<Sid> The SQL import stuff?

<udaykale> not sure how we could 'discover' available databases from a machine

<udaykale> no the database import stuff

<Sid> I was thinking that we'd know the db connection information.

<SandraFaust> I think you would need to specify the conn string

<Sid> We'd know all the connection information needed.

<sobby> yeah..after you set up the tns listner..

<udaykale> if we know which database it is and which machine it runs on, then it will be fine

<sobby> just need to give the host string

<Sid> That's the assumption I'm going on.

<sobby> uday..can we take this offline..and work on it together

<Sid> That includes username/password, etc.

<udaykale> sure, no problem...

<sobby> username/password@hoststring

* Sid nods.

<udaykale> ya

<Sid> Uday, how well do you know Java?

<udaykale> well enough - but not gui stuff

<Sid> Want to learn GUI stuff?

<udaykale> was planning to do the starter use cases this weekend

<udaykale> at least start with them

<udaykale> sure

<Sid> Ok. Pick one and edit the wiki page with your choice

<udaykale> ok

<Sid> If you can send out the full Use Case document for it during the week, we can review it.

<Sid> Last and by far least, Rossi.

<_Ross__> yo yo!

<_Ross__> basically I'm taking on the monster of undo redo

<_Ross__> (if that's cool)

<Sid> Ross, can you write up a use case realization doc on it before you get too far in?

<_Ross__> I've started sketching out the transaction manager and played with a different gui at work to see if it works

<_Ross__> you bet

<Sid> Actually more your choice. Do it before or after, whichever's easier, but we need one eventually.

<Sid> And we need to get the weekly CVS tagging working.

<_Ross__> I'll get a version 1.0 out first

<Sid> ok

<_Ross__> right.. I'll start that this weekend

<_Ross__> ...actually I'll go do that now...

<Sid> Hehe

<Sid> So HW2's all set with everyone?

<_Ross__> nope

<_Ross__> I still need sobby's

<sobby> i have already sent it

<_Ross__> did you get my messages?

<jrarick> I turned in Uday's, Brian's and mine. Larry will turn his in tonight

<SandraFaust> well, we have 2 hours to submit it

<Sid> Hehe, ok.

<Sid> Any questions?

<jrarick> Uday, Brian, did you get my email--I cc'd you

<sobby> ross , did you get mine..?

<udaykale> ya

<brians> ya

<_Ross__> last I got was your one email with the text file attached

<_Ross__> I responded with 2 messages

<jrarick> I was not very organized in getting all four people's together.

<jrarick> I will do better next time. Sorry Larry.

<larknox> np

<Sid> Well, hopefully they won't mind us doing not-quite-groups-of-4. *grins*

<Sid> Ok, meeting's done. Thanks for coming everyone.

<jrarick> Thanks sid

<_Ross__> sobby stick around so we can sort this out

<SandraFaust> hold on

<sobby> ok

<SandraFaust> ok, so you too are going to resolve the homework issue?

<SandraFaust> too = two

<brians> see you all

<larknox> G'night

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<SandraFaust> bye guys