[22:04] &lt;Sid&gt; Alright, let's get started.<br>
[22:05] &lt;Sid&gt; Meeting 16 Agenda<br>
[22:05] &lt;Sid&gt; 1 Intro<br>
[22:05] &lt;Sid&gt; 2 Next week's meeting<br>
[22:05] &lt;Sid&gt; 3 Status/Tasking<br>
[22:05] &lt;Sid&gt;   - Ross, Sandra, Sid, Schoudel, Larry, Uday, Jim, Sobby<br>
[22:05] &lt;Sid&gt; Ok... As far as the status of the project goes... We're most of the way through this iteration already.<br>
[22:05] &lt;Sid&gt; Well, ok, halfway.<br>
[22:06] &lt;Sid&gt; In a week, we should have a lot of things coded, and even more a few days after that.<br>
[22:06] &lt;Sid&gt; And testing (not sure what we'll do with that...) will start in a week and run for 7 days<br>
[22:07] &lt;Sid&gt; So the programming tasks don't have too much room to slip.<br>
[22:08] &lt;Sid&gt; And as far as next week's meeting... I found out I have a trip for next Thursday<br>
[22:08] &lt;_Ross__&gt; And I'm going to be in Mexico<br>
[22:08] &lt;Sid&gt; I'd like to reschedule the meeting for Saturday instead, at 2p Central. How will that work with everyone?<br>
[22:08] &lt;udaykale&gt; np<br>
[22:08] &lt;Sid&gt; In... what, 9 days, not 2.<br>
[22:08] &lt;SandraFaust&gt; ok<br>
[22:09] &lt;_Ross__&gt; Barring any flight problems that'll be good with me<br>
[22:09] &lt;brians&gt; shouldn't be a problem, hopefully<br>
[22:09] &lt;larknox&gt; ok afaik<br>
[22:10] &lt;Sid&gt; Okies. Next meeting will be Saturday, Mar22, 2p Central<br>
[22:10] &lt;Sid&gt; Alright, let's run through status and tasking.<br>
[22:11] &lt;Sid&gt; Should be relatively quick since tasking was light with the hw and exam<br>
[22:11] &lt;Sid&gt; Ross, what did you do? =)<br>
[22:11] &lt;_Ross__&gt; Big things were a bug fix, some bug reporting and reviewing the Iteration Plan<br>
[22:11] &lt;_Ross__&gt; that's really it<br>
[22:12] &lt;Sid&gt; Do you have things to do for the few days you're around this week?<br>
[22:12] &lt;_Ross__&gt; Yeah, I'm going to be integrating Apache's Logger into our system<br>
[22:12] &lt;Sid&gt; Alright<br>
[22:12] &lt;brians&gt; what's logger?<br>
[22:13] &lt;_Ross__&gt; Logger (or log4j) is a better way of doing things like System.out.println()<br>
[22:13] &lt;_Ross__&gt; basically runtime you can edit a script with a threshold level:<br>
[22:13] &lt;_Ross__&gt; ERROR, WARN, INFO, DEBUG and I think one other, you can also define your own<br>
[22:14] &lt;Sid&gt; Usually you'll use DEBUG<br>
[22:14] &lt;_Ross__&gt; instead of system.out.println, you do things like logger.debug("message")<br>
[22:14] &lt;_Ross__&gt; then, if yuour threshold is set higher, you wont get any output to the console<br>
[22:15] &lt;_Ross__&gt; I'll send a more detailed howto on out soon<br>
[22:15] &lt;udaykale&gt; does it put different stuff in separate logs<br>
[22:15] &lt;_Ross__&gt; it can<br>
[22:15] &lt;Sid&gt; Also, for exceptions, you can do logger.error( "Something bad happened", e )<br>
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[22:15] &lt;_Ross__&gt; you can add different "appenders" during run time to handle that<br>
[22:15] &lt;Sid&gt; Particularly, might have it pop up error messages in a GUI window.<br>
[22:15] &lt;_Ross__&gt; that'll be tricky, but I'm going to try it<br>
[22:16] &lt;Sid&gt; Ok, Ross?<br>
[22:16] &lt;_Ross__&gt; What the logger will give us is a way to switch from debugging mode to production mode with a simple change in the run script<br>
[22:16] &lt;_Ross__&gt; yup done<br>
[22:17] &lt;_Ross__&gt; (you should cut me off sooner, i like blabbing)<br>
[22:17] &lt;Sid&gt; Sandra, how're you doing with the autolayout thingy?<br>
[22:17] &lt;SandraFaust&gt; I told you I wouldn't have much time this week.<br>
[22:17] &lt;SandraFaust&gt; I update the use case<br>
[22:18] &lt;SandraFaust&gt; looked a bit in the algorithm, but that's it<br>
[22:18] &lt;Sid&gt; I know. =) Busy week.<br>
[22:18] &lt;SandraFaust&gt; yes<br>
[22:18] &lt;SandraFaust&gt; you made a good point with the lines<br>
[22:18] &lt;Sid&gt; I'm going to be working up a design for the lines this weekend<br>
[22:18] &lt;SandraFaust&gt; so the general graph layout alg. might not work, might need to separate table layout with lines layout<br>
[22:19] &lt;Sid&gt; I have a few very initial sketches of some designs; I'm trying to not make it require tables to be connected horizontally<br>
[22:19] &lt;Sid&gt; Because that'll make your job and just general usage much more difficult<br>
[22:19] &lt;SandraFaust&gt; ok<br>
[22:19] &lt;SandraFaust&gt; yes<br>
[22:20] &lt;Sid&gt; I think the main concern for the layout thingy will be to minimize line crossings and to maintain enough spacing between objects<br>
[22:20] &lt;SandraFaust&gt; but the truth is, if you look at any ERD, tables are mostly laid out horizontallu<br>
[22:20] &lt;SandraFaust&gt; yes<br>
[22:20] &lt;SandraFaust&gt; probably the first shot would be to give the spacing<br>
[22:20] &lt;Sid&gt; I haven't looked at any ERD's lately. =)  I just would like it to fit on paper nicely.<br>
[22:21] &lt;SandraFaust&gt; and try to make intelligent positioning so that lines don't cross too much<br>
[22:21] &lt;Sid&gt; Right<br>
[22:21] &lt;SandraFaust&gt; MS SQL Server does good job of auto arranging tables in the ERD<br>
[22:22] &lt;SandraFaust&gt; would like to get ahold of that alg. :)<br>
[22:22] &lt;Sid&gt; Hehe... Are you still on schedule to complete an implementation in a week?<br>
[22:23] &lt;SandraFaust&gt; probably not, but i'll have at least something out in a week<br>
[22:23] &lt;Sid&gt; Alright. We'll call it an "initial implementation"?<br>
[22:23] &lt;SandraFaust&gt; yes<br>
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[22:24] &lt;Sid&gt; Alright, my turn.  I did a bunch of document reviews.<br>
[22:24] &lt;Sid&gt; Yea, that's it. =) I'll work on the design for fancier line drawing this week.<br>
[22:25] &lt;Sid&gt; The diagram needs to show which columns are involved in the lines. Right now it only shows the tables.<br>
[22:25] &lt;Sid&gt; The tricky part comes when you have multiple diagrams that depend on the same columns<br>
[22:25] &lt;SandraFaust&gt; yes<br>
[22:26] &lt;Sid&gt; Or multiple columns in a table that are foreign keys to other tables.<br>
[22:26] &lt;SandraFaust&gt; sid, that would be ideal, but if you look at the bunch of ERD software they are not doing that<br>
[22:26] &lt;Sid&gt; Well, I don't like them then. =)<br>
[22:26] &lt;SandraFaust&gt; :)<br>
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[22:26] &lt;_Ross__&gt; sorry<br>
[22:26] &lt;_Ross__&gt; got bumped<br>
[22:27] &lt;Sid&gt; It'll be good for our program to do some things that the others don't.<br>
[22:27] &lt;SandraFaust&gt; yes<br>
[22:27] &lt;Sid&gt; Or at least demonstrate why some things shouldn't be done. ;)<br>
[22:27] &lt;SandraFaust&gt; :))<br>
[22:27] &lt;SandraFaust&gt; I just fear that we might find out hard way why they didn't do it<br>
[22:28] &lt;Sid&gt; Eh, that's what CVS is for.<br>
[22:28] &lt;Sid&gt; So we don't have to fear making changes<br>
[22:28] &lt;SandraFaust&gt; i'm not concerened about CVS, more about the timing<br>
[22:28] &lt;SandraFaust&gt; but you are the PM :)<br>
[22:28] &lt;Sid&gt; Yea, you don't have to fear. If the program sucks it'll be my fault. =D<br>
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[22:29] &lt;SandraFaust&gt; it won't suck :)<br>
[22:29] &lt;Sid&gt; So I hope to get an initial implementation done in a week. But I'm not sure since my travel plans aren't finalized yet.<br>
[22:29] &lt;Prince&gt; He.. who r u???<br>
[22:30] &lt;Sid&gt; Schoudel, how're you doing with the SQL Importer?<br>
[22:30] &lt;brians&gt; i plan to get cranking now<br>
[22:30] &lt;brians&gt; i will code this weekend<br>
[22:30] &lt;Prince&gt; F..............U<br>
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[22:31] &lt;brians&gt; who was that?<br>
[22:31] &lt;Sid&gt; Aww, he beat me before I could boot him.<br>
[22:31] &lt;SandraFaust&gt; he was paging me<br>
[22:31] &lt;brians&gt; that's really all my status, just need start doing some heavy duting coding<br>
[22:32] &lt;Sid&gt; Do you have to do very much coding to integrate the Apache SQL importer thing in?<br>
[22:32] &lt;brians&gt; it seems a little involved i should have something checked in and working by next meeting<br>
[22:32] &lt;Sid&gt; Howabout within 7 days?<br>
[22:33] &lt;brians&gt; ok<br>
[22:33] &lt;Sid&gt; Since the next meeting's delayed<br>
[22:33] &lt;Sid&gt; As an aside, who all used JUnit for their HW3?<br>
[22:33] &lt;udaykale&gt; me<br>
[22:33] &lt;larknox&gt; We did<br>
[22:33] &lt;brians&gt; i learned it and used it<br>
[22:33] &lt;brians&gt; will come in handy<br>
[22:34] &lt;Sid&gt; Ok, good. Forced us to learn how to use the thing. =)<br>
[22:34] &lt;brians&gt; fairly easy to use<br>
[22:34] &lt;Sid&gt; Please follow the convention of making JUnit test class names end with "Test"<br>
[22:35] &lt;Sid&gt; Because we'll be changing our build script to be able to compile deliverable packages without those files.<br>
[22:35] &lt;larknox&gt; I couldn't run it with netbeans, but it worked fine on its own.<br>
[22:35] &lt;Sid&gt; Yea, JUnit is pretty strong on its own already<br>
[22:36] &lt;Sid&gt; Schoudel, have you looked at the Big Board?<br>
[22:36] &lt;brians&gt; what's the Big Board?<br>
[22:36] &lt;Sid&gt; Look now:  http://jdbv.sourceforge.net/BigBoard.html<br>
[22:36] &lt;udaykale&gt; there is a link to it from the project homepage<br>
[22:36] &lt;udaykale&gt; also<br>
[22:36] &lt;Sid&gt; Or that. =)<br>
[22:38] &lt;brians&gt; where did that come from?<br>
[22:38] &lt;Sid&gt; You might want to read some of the text on the Meeting 15 log... The stuff not including the Status/Tasking<br>
[22:38] &lt;Sid&gt; It came from me. Its my scheduling helper.<br>
[22:39] &lt;Sid&gt; My monologue at the beginning of the last meeting covered a lot of important material that you should review.<br>
[22:39] &lt;brians&gt; ok<br>
[22:39] &lt;Sid&gt; Larry, how're you?<br>
[22:40] &lt;larknox&gt; Fine - Sorry, someone just sametimed me from the office.<br>
[22:41] &lt;Sid&gt; =)<br>
[22:41] &lt;Sid&gt; Did you send a copy of the Install sequence to the webmasters?<br>
[22:42] &lt;larknox&gt; I'll send the Revised use case to them after this meeting - should teh install be seperate or combined?<br>
[22:43] &lt;Sid&gt; Mmm, make the separate. One's a normal Use Case Spec, the other's a special document.<br>
[22:43] &lt;larknox&gt; one doc or 2?<br>
[22:43] &lt;larknox&gt; ok<br>
[22:43] &lt;larknox&gt; you said you had an idea for a code change - simple or complex ? to make installer work<br>
[22:44] &lt;Sid&gt; Yes, I added it as a bug.<br>
[22:44] &lt;Sid&gt; Ross, what was the latest status of it, do you remember?<br>
[22:44] &lt;_Ross__&gt; not really<br>
[22:44] &lt;_Ross__&gt; ]you want me to go check?<br>
[22:44] &lt;Sid&gt; I'm checking now. =)<br>
[22:45] &lt;_Ross__&gt; oh! not done yet<br>
[22:45] &lt;_Ross__&gt; I'll fix that this weekend<br>
[22:45] &lt;Sid&gt; Ok, I just wanted to check if we had discussed the fix for it.<br>
[22:45] &lt;_Ross__&gt; I know how to fix it<br>
[22:45] &lt;larknox&gt; ok, then I'll try installing again.<br>
[22:45] &lt;_Ross__&gt; I'm going to load it in as a resource<br>
[22:45] &lt;Sid&gt; Well, after the fix is in there, Larry. =)<br>
[22:45] &lt;_Ross__&gt; as opposed to a file<br>
[22:45] &lt;_Ross__&gt; I'll email ya larry<br>
[22:46] &lt;larknox&gt; That's what I meant<br>
[22:46] &lt;larknox&gt; thanks, that 'll be good<br>
[22:46] &lt;Sid&gt; Larry, I also have you tentatively scheduled to start working on one of the starter use cases.<br>
[22:46] &lt;larknox&gt; ok, good<br>
[22:46] &lt;Sid&gt; Since you've gotten the tough part done, getting the installation thing is a low priority.<br>
[22:47] &lt;larknox&gt; Alright - it doesn't take much to build one though.<br>
[22:47] &lt;larknox&gt; an exe.<br>
[22:47] &lt;Sid&gt; Well, the tough part was the research.<br>
[22:47] &lt;Sid&gt; Now we mostly just have to follow directions and test.<br>
[22:48] &lt;udaykale&gt; did you want to us both to work on the same usecase...<br>
[22:48] &lt;Sid&gt; I have Larry on for the New Diagram use case.<br>
[22:48] &lt;Sid&gt; *looks at the big board* Hmm...<br>
[22:48] &lt;Sid&gt; No. =) It doesn't need two people.<br>
[22:49] &lt;udaykale&gt; ok, i'll take up the close diagram thing then...<br>
[22:49] &lt;Sid&gt; Well, let's finish up with Larry first then we'll get to you Uday. =)<br>
[22:49] &lt;udaykale&gt; ok<br>
[22:49] &lt;udaykale&gt; sorry<br>
[22:50] &lt;Sid&gt; np.<br>
[22:50] &lt;Sid&gt; Larry, do you think you can figure out the Use Case Specification for creating a new diagram?<br>
[22:51] &lt;Sid&gt; It's very simple:  On the menu, click "File" then "New Diagram..."<br>
[22:51] &lt;larknox&gt; ok<br>
[22:52] &lt;Sid&gt; I can't imagine that the Use Case Spec would require a whole week of work. Learning how to integrate it into dbViZ will take more time.<br>
[22:52] &lt;larknox&gt; Then it blanks the Diagram area to prepare for a new diagram?<br>
[22:53] &lt;Sid&gt; When you run it, notice that the name "Unnamed diagram 0" is in a tab.<br>
[22:53] &lt;Sid&gt; When we have multiple diagrams, we'll add tabs.<br>
[22:53] &lt;larknox&gt; A<br>
[22:53] &lt;larknox&gt; ah<br>
[22:53] &lt;Sid&gt; Multiple diagrams for the same schema.<br>
[22:53] &lt;larknox&gt; oh I see<br>
[22:53] &lt;Sid&gt; And can't make new diagrams without a schema loaded.<br>
[22:54] &lt;Sid&gt; In a week, can you try to have a Use Case Spec and look at the dbViZ design to try to figure out how you might implement it?<br>
[22:55] &lt;larknox&gt; So it asks where to get the schema?<br>
[22:55] &lt;Sid&gt; When I wrote a lot of the classes, I kept in mind we'd want to have multiple diagrams, but just didn't write ALL the code to support it.<br>
[22:55] &lt;larknox&gt; Yes I can do that.<br>
[22:55] &lt;Sid&gt; I think the option is greyed-out when no schema is loaded.<br>
[22:56] &lt;larknox&gt; ok - sort of a failing test to make work :)<br>
[22:56] &lt;Sid&gt; Yep. =)<br>
[22:56] &lt;Sid&gt; Email me if you have questions<br>
[22:57] &lt;larknox&gt; Will do<br>
[22:57] &lt;Sid&gt; Uday, you were tasked with the Oracle importer. How's that doing?<br>
[22:57] &lt;udaykale&gt; i had some problem running dbviz after installing oracle<br>
[22:57] &lt;Sid&gt; Bleh<br>
[22:57] &lt;udaykale&gt; that was because it made us to use the 1.3 java.exe<br>
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[22:58] &lt;Sid&gt; You can have multiple JVM's installed on your system.<br>
[22:58] &lt;udaykale&gt; anyways, i think i will have it figured out this sat<br>
[22:58] &lt;udaykale&gt; ya, but the 'java.exe' that it used wasnt able to get the swing classes<br>
[22:58] &lt;udaykale&gt; anyways, thats done now...<br>
[22:58] &lt;brians&gt; move 1.4 ahead in the path<br>
[22:59] &lt;udaykale&gt; ya, done...<br>
[22:59] &lt;Sid&gt; Actually, just make sure you use the usersetup.bat<br>
[22:59] &lt;Sid&gt; That should setup your path if Ross did it right. =)<br>
[22:59] &lt;Sid&gt; I can say that since he's not here now.<br>
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[23:00] &lt;_Ross__&gt; blah1<br>
[23:00] &lt;udaykale&gt; no, we add our stuff to the end in path<br>
[23:00] &lt;Sid&gt; Ross, change setup.bat so the Java that's set up is in the front of the path please.<br>
[23:00] &lt;_Ross__&gt; will do<br>
[23:01] &lt;udaykale&gt; wow, great, that was a 'bug'...<br>
[23:01] &lt;Sid&gt; Uday, you're scheduled to have the implementation and use case spec done by Sunday. Can you still have both done by then?<br>
[23:01] &lt;udaykale&gt; sure, definitely...<br>
[23:01] &lt;udaykale&gt; will need some help integrating...<br>
[23:02] &lt;Sid&gt; Ok, we'll discuss it offline.<br>
[23:02] &lt;udaykale&gt; sure, no problem<br>
[23:02] &lt;udaykale&gt; other than that, i didnt have any updates<br>
[23:02] &lt;Sid&gt; *nods*<br>
[23:02] &lt;udaykale&gt; well, there is the Master Test Plan doc on the webpag<br>
[23:02] &lt;_Ross__&gt; done<br>
[23:03] &lt;_Ross__&gt; (path fix)<br>
[23:03] &lt;udaykale&gt; that only sandra has permissions to change<br>
[23:03] &lt;Sid&gt; =)<br>
[23:03] &lt;SandraFaust&gt; yes?<br>
[23:03] &lt;udaykale&gt; sandra, would you fix its permissions<br>
[23:03] &lt;SandraFaust&gt; i'll fix that now<br>
[23:03] &lt;udaykale&gt; ok, np<br>
[23:03] &lt;Sid&gt; We have a revision of that that'll need to get up there sometime.<br>
[23:04] &lt;Sid&gt; Though I think I need to review it to check its practicality for our project.<br>
[23:04] &lt;SandraFaust&gt; which document?<br>
[23:04] &lt;Sid&gt; Master Test Plan.<br>
[23:04] &lt;SandraFaust&gt; it has group write permissions<br>
[23:04] &lt;SandraFaust&gt; 664<br>
[23:05] &lt;udaykale&gt; for group 'users'<br>
[23:05] &lt;udaykale&gt; or 'jdbv'<br>
[23:05] &lt;SandraFaust&gt; checking<br>
[23:06] &lt;Sid&gt; Eew... We're giving everyone write permission to our directory?<br>
[23:07] &lt;Sid&gt; Anyway, Jim, what's up?<br>
[23:07] &lt;jrarick&gt; Hi guys<br>
[23:07] &lt;jrarick&gt; I had a heck of a time importing our project into netbeans<br>
[23:07] &lt;jrarick&gt; It imported okay, but setting up the file structure took a lot of time<br>
[23:07] &lt;jrarick&gt; I did not know how the libraries were set up<br>
[23:07] &lt;Sid&gt; Could you remind me why we want to use Netbeans again? =)<br>
[23:08] &lt;jrarick&gt; Well, I wanted to use it for ease of test writing<br>
[23:08] &lt;jrarick&gt; It has built-in junit<br>
[23:08] &lt;jrarick&gt; and it automatically makes the correct test code names and tests all functions<br>
[23:08] &lt;Sid&gt; As long as the tests it outputs doesn't require everyone to have Netbeans installed.<br>
[23:09] &lt;jrarick&gt; They will be classes like anything else<br>
[23:09] &lt;jrarick&gt; They can be run in JUnit outside of netbeans<br>
[23:09] &lt;jrarick&gt; I think it is probably good for everyone to have netbeans<br>
[23:09] &lt;jrarick&gt; Everything seems much easier<br>
[23:09] &lt;jrarick&gt; including editing<br>
[23:09] &lt;Sid&gt; So did you achieve "ease of test writing" for HW3 using Netbeans?<br>
[23:10] &lt;jrarick&gt; No<br>
[23:10] &lt;jrarick&gt; Because I could not import it until late Tuesday night<br>
[23:10] &lt;jrarick&gt; could not figure it out<br>
[23:10] &lt;jrarick&gt; spent a week doing it<br>
[23:10] &lt;jrarick&gt; now it is easy...of course now that I know how<br>
[23:11] &lt;jrarick&gt; learning the basics of an IDE in a week wasn't so bad actually<br>
[23:11] &lt;Sid&gt; How large is the download?<br>
[23:11] &lt;jrarick&gt; I think 35Mb<br>
[23:11] &lt;Sid&gt; Not quite as bad as Forte...<br>
[23:12] &lt;jrarick&gt; I will send you an updated file to show how to set it up<br>
[23:12] &lt;jrarick&gt; the first one did not have the directories right<br>
[23:12] &lt;jrarick&gt; they call it file systems<br>
[23:12] &lt;Sid&gt; Alright, I'll bite.  Scheduled for Mar20 are several tests.<br>
[23:12] &lt;jrarick&gt; Yep.  <br>
[23:13] &lt;jrarick&gt; I like it because I can easily debug, do metrics, write tests for all functions in a class<br>
[23:13] &lt;Sid&gt; I do question how well it'l do tests since our app is primarily GUI based.<br>
[23:13] &lt;jrarick&gt; It is a good IDE<br>
[23:13] &lt;Sid&gt; And Netbeans doesn't do GUI testing, right?<br>
[23:13] &lt;jrarick&gt; That is right.<br>
[23:13] &lt;jrarick&gt; Most gui testing cannot be done this way<br>
[23:14] &lt;jrarick&gt; We can only test our schema classes<br>
[23:14] &lt;jrarick&gt; or other functions<br>
[23:14] &lt;jrarick&gt; GUI will have to be done manually<br>
[23:14] &lt;Sid&gt; And I think we've all written good test code for the schema stuff...<br>
[23:14] &lt;Sid&gt; So mainly we need test cases for the GUI functionality.<br>
[23:14] &lt;udaykale&gt; u bet<br>
[23:14] &lt;jrarick&gt; Okay<br>
[23:15] &lt;Sid&gt; That all has to be done manually...<br>
[23:15] &lt;jrarick&gt; According to the papers, that is true<br>
[23:16] &lt;Sid&gt; Well, Sobby claims to have access to a very expensive program that can do it.<br>
[23:16] &lt;Sid&gt; But he's currently illustrating the reason I didn't like his plan.<br>
[23:17] &lt;jrarick&gt; I don't like a program only one person has<br>
[23:17] &lt;udaykale&gt; I might have it too at work - it was the Rational Robot, right...<br>
[23:17] &lt;Sid&gt; Jim, continue to work on tests. I'll get back to you this weekend after I've mulled the testing situation more.<br>
[23:17] &lt;jrarick&gt; OK<br>
[23:18] &lt;Sid&gt; Alright, anyone have any questions?<br>
[23:18] &lt;udaykale&gt; tasking for me for next week?<br>
[23:19] &lt;Sid&gt; Uday, we have a big use case: Save/Load Diagram.<br>
[23:19] &lt;Sid&gt; Well, big if it's done well. =)<br>
[23:19] &lt;Sid&gt; I'd give you the Close Diagram one but it sorta depnds on the New Diagram one.<br>
[23:19] &lt;udaykale&gt; ok, i can try - but, will that be after new diagram..<br>
[23:20] &lt;Sid&gt; No, that's when you get the Oracle Importer done.<br>
[23:20] &lt;Sid&gt; Putting you on the New Diagram task was a typogoof<br>
[23:20] &lt;udaykale&gt; i mean, does it depend upon new diagram<br>
[23:20] &lt;Sid&gt; Consider what classes will need to be "saved" and "loaded"--pretty much the Diagram object and everything inside.<br>
[23:20] &lt;Sid&gt; No.<br>
[23:20] &lt;udaykale&gt; ok...<br>
[23:21] &lt;Sid&gt; I hardcoded it to automatically create a new diagram when a schema is imported.<br>
[23:21] &lt;Sid&gt; So you can always save and load a diagram.<br>
[23:21] &lt;Sid&gt; At the easy-but-bad side of doing it is to use Java Serialization.<br>
[23:21] &lt;Sid&gt; At the tough-but-quality side is using a standard format like XML<br>
[23:22] &lt;udaykale&gt; and i am sure you have some pointers to the XML stuff...<br>
[23:22] &lt;Sid&gt; Yea. I'll send you<br>
[23:23] &lt;Sid&gt; Ok, anything else anyone?<br>
[23:23] &lt;Sid&gt; I'll take that as a 'no'.<br>
[23:23] &lt;Sid&gt; We're done then. Meeting Adjourned!<br>
[23:23] &lt;Sid&gt; Thanks for your time, everyone<br>