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Meeting 3 - Chat Session
Session Start: Mon Oct 21 20:45:12 2002
Session Ident: #dbvis
[20:45] * Now talking in #dbvis
[20:45] * Sid_ yawns
[20:46] * Sid_ slaps _Ross around a bit with a large trout
[20:46] -> [_Ross] PING
[20:47] <_Ross> ooooooouuuch
[20:47] <_Ross> I hat fish
[20:47] <_Ross> wasssuuppp!!!
[20:47] Hehe
[20:47] I'm tired.
[20:47] I wanna go home.
[20:47] Doh! I'm already home...
[20:48] <_Ross> hee hee
[20:48] <_Ross> I know. I spent forever writing those e-mails
[20:48] which ones?
[20:49] * _Dave_ has joined #dbvis
[20:49] <_Ross> I got about e-mails asking me why cvs doesn't do anything when you double click the icon
[20:49] <_Dave_> Hi guys
[20:49] Hey
[20:49] <_Ross> so, I sent out some more how toos
[20:49] <_Ross> what's up dave
[20:49] * Sid_ wonders what icon peple are clicking on...
[20:49] <_Ross> the cvs.exe icon
[20:50] Hehe.
[20:50] Yea, that'd screw people up...
[20:50] Maybe you should point people at WinCVS.
[20:51] <_Ross> nah. I set 'em straight
[20:51] Okies.
[20:51] It's too bad I hate CVS now. I used to like it lots...
[20:51] <_Ross> so did you just sign of for a free 30 day rup thing?
[20:52] Yes. 2 weeks left, I think Or mebbe 3...
[20:52] <_Ross> stupid cvs doesn't like big binaries :)
[20:52] * Sid_ shrugs
[20:52] Course, that's never a problem with Java.
[20:52] <_Ross> did you try rcs?
[20:52] When I was interning, I was on a project that used RCS and one that used SCCS.
[20:52] CVS was like stepping out of the stoneage.
[20:53] <_Ross> i know i know....but maybe rcs will solve your binary prob
[20:53] CVS uses RCS internally.
[20:54] <_Ross> stupid rcs
[20:55] Ayup.
[20:55] I wonder how Clearcase works...
[20:55] * Sid_ Googles Clearcase
[20:55] Dangit... Another Rational product.
[20:56] <_Ross> damn you rationalll!!!!
[20:56] <_Dave_> It works by you paying Rational a lot of $$$
[20:56] <_Ross> :)
[20:56] Yea, so I figured... Anything with "Rational" costs a lot.
[20:56] I know there are newer CM systems out there.
[20:56] I just didn't pay attention because I thought CVS was fine.
[20:57] Heh. Google's annoying me. Ugly links.
[20:58] <_Ross> if it makes you feel better, they're gettin sued!
[20:59] Yea, that's silly too.
[20:59] Google's not targeting them. Google's just turning sucky all around.
[20:59] <_Dave_> What law suit is this one about?
[20:59] Some company claims that Google is intentionally making their site rank low on searches
[20:59] Might be another search engine. Not sure.
[21:00] <_Ross> to switch to non google?
[21:00] Blah. Yahoo mail's annoying too. I reloaded it an hour ago and it didn't tell me about messages 4 hours old.
[21:01] * Guest87752 has joined #dbvis
[21:01] <_Ross> doh!
[21:01] * Guest87752 is now known as jianmei
[21:01] * ChanServ sets mode: +o jianmei
[21:01] <_Dave_> Hi Jianmei!
[21:01] brian still can not get in
[21:02] i will sent him a e-mail
[21:02] He should get an external client then.
[21:02] dave, how did you get here
[21:02] <_Dave_> I had to download mIrc
[21:02] <_Ross> mirc works fine
[21:02] <_Dave_> I was having too many problems trying to figure out webchat's interface
[21:02] brine said he can not get download imrc either
[21:04] The links on that page are bad. But it doesn't mean the program isn't available.
[21:04] <_Dave_> I downloaded it just 20 minutes ago.
[21:05] I guess this meeting's going to start late too...
[21:06] <_Ross> sigh...
[21:06] <_Ross> 4 hours later
[21:06] <_Ross> can I get a free hall pass for being early twice?
[21:06] No. In 5 minutes I'll start the meeting.
[21:06] First topic isn't that important anyway
[21:06] Oh, wait... Second topic.
[21:07] Sure, Ross. Print this out...
[21:07] -----------------
[21:07] H A L L
[21:07] P A S S
[21:07] ---------------
[21:08] <_Ross> excellent
[21:08] <_Dave_> Sid - will Rational Rose export Gifs?
[21:08] Nope. It sucks too.
[21:08] <_Dave_> Not my favorite tool, I haven't used it for a while.
[21:08] I printed them and scanned them.
[21:09] It annoys me, but it works.
[21:09] A lot of software annoys me...
[21:09] <_Dave_> I tried their automatic code generation - aargh!
[21:09] <_Ross> we should write our own
[21:09] <_Ross> ewwww auto code generation!!!
[21:10] Yea, but their code importation works well enough.
[21:10] <_Dave_> Unless what you have is complex - it yacked trying to read in some template work I had done.
[21:10] It's too bad seamless round-trip engineering is still so elusive...
[21:10] Well, I yack trying to read templates. =)
[21:11] <_Dave_> :)
[21:11] Frickin 'ell...
[21:12] The others are on Dalnet
[21:13] should we switch this time
[21:13] <_Ross> ....ggrrrr...
[21:13] I can't connect.
[21:13] * soniaka has joined #dbvis
[21:13] hi everybody
[21:14] hi how can you get in
[21:14] <_Dave_> Hi Sonia
[21:14] how late am i ?
[21:15] <_Ross> 15 minutes
[21:15] <_Ross> but we havne't started
[21:15] <_Ross> ho de hum
[21:15] Trying to get the others here.
[21:15] ok...then its fine thanks .........
[21:15] <_Dave_> But you're earlier than a lot of people
[21:15] Everyone else is there.
[21:15] We outnumber htem, so they get to move.
[21:15] Regardless, we need to find another server.
[21:16] <_Dave_> Everyone just needs to download mIrc
[21:16] yes
[21:16] y ...again..this seems a pretty good one..
[21:16] i am using trillion.....it seems decent enough
[21:17] this what Sid had suggested ..very early one...
[21:17] they are on dal net I guess they will not swith
[21:17] Heh, I completely forgot bout Trillian's IRC.
[21:18] I'm talking them thru
[21:18] trillian..is really good ....very good fancy interface.....
[21:19] They all left that room, so hopefully they'll come here.
[21:19] * jianmei smiles at everyone in the room :-)
[21:19] Let's start the meeting
[21:19] ok...
[21:19] Not quite as bad as last week's...
[21:19] Topic 1. Who wants to be a Recorder? We need 2 total.
[21:19] Their only task will be writing up summaries of these meetings.
[21:19] (not that they won't have other roles to fill)
[21:20] <_Dave_> I can try for now.
[21:20] Ok. Thanks
[21:20] i just afraid my english is not good enough
[21:20] * SandraFaust has joined #dbvis
[21:20] i would volunteer.........coz then i will have to get up early ..i will cordinate with Dave then
[21:20] as in alternatvie meetings
[21:20] a-ha, I made it!
[21:21] Welcome!
[21:21] congrats sandra
[21:21] Thanks, Sonia.
[21:21] Thanks. :)
[21:21] Topic 2. Project name.
[21:21] I started going with DBVis, and then I found out that there's a program
[21:21] that does a lot of what we want to do, called DBVis. =/
[21:22] Oh, people can look at that for a rough idea of what I've been thinking of.
[21:22] Google it...
[21:22] (if Google is so kind as to work right...)
[21:22] I found this out when I was setting up SourceForge
[21:22] so for a temporary project name, I followed the standard, icky Java naming convention and threw a "J" in front of other letters for JDBV
[21:23] ok...............well my suggestion stands at dbViZ.....
[21:23] Why the funky capitalization? =)
[21:23] just like that......it looks good ..atleast i think it looks good
[21:23] <_Ross> er....
[21:24] <_Dave_> It's a cool marketing hype thing =)
[21:24] Ok. Fine by me.
[21:24] Any other suggestions?
[21:24] somet name relative to ER?
[21:24] <_Ross> how bout SPORK
[21:24] Well, it's not really an ER diagram.
[21:24] * aasathe has joined #dbvis
[21:24] OK!
[21:24] :)
[21:24] SPORK y ?
[21:24] Welcome. We're on topic 2, Abhay
[21:25] Thanks.
[21:25] <_Ross> go SPORK!!! All we need now is what it stands for...other than the brilliant combination of spoon and fork
[21:25] <_Ross> ...I'll be quiet now
[21:25] * aasathe is now known as Guest98481
[21:25] You do that, Ross... =)
[21:25] I always knew them as sforks anyhow...
[21:26] Any suggestions for a project name? So far we have dbViZ
[21:26] Alright, our project is now named dbViZ
[21:26] Topic 3... Web site status.
[21:26] I set that up before we had a web site. =)
[21:26] i put some files out there
[21:27] :)
[21:27] It's a good start
[21:27] I got the lowdown on cvsrom ross, so will upload now.
[21:27] we'll need a little more organization tho
[21:27] thanks, we probably should think about the dir stucture and stuff
[21:28] Yea. Oh, and you can use index.html as the start page and we can just use jdbv.sourceforge.net
[21:28] guest98481 is abhay, I don't know wahy i was renamed
[21:28] abhay is probably a registered nick.
[21:28] That's why a lot of us have underscores.
[21:28] I thought about that, but then homeworks are for accessed only by browsing the dir
[21:29] Well, we should have a link on the web page that goes to the homework dirs.
[21:29] so, I wasn't sure if we want to have link for uploaded file, or just to browse them like this
[21:29] Ok, I'll do that
[21:29] We should be able to browse the files over the web, so it's easier to get to them.
[21:29] We can't do anything about making it easier to upload, than using SFTP.
[21:29] Well, nothing practical...
[21:29] what should be on index page? the vision statement or something else?
[21:30] <_Ross> If you guys haven't yet checked I sent out detailed instructions on how to use sftp
[21:30] Summary page. Some of the vision.
[21:30] Ok, I'll put something together, maybe even tonight
[21:30] Did you peek at my previous project's web page?
[21:30] sid i had a suggestion ......we should decide abt the ..common format for the UML ...looking at gifs is really cumbersome.....
[21:31] to tell you honestly no, I put this together in half an hour :)
[21:31] Ok. Well, just for ideas, Sandra. =)
[21:31] We'll get to that, Sonia
[21:31] yes, yes :) time is the issue, I'm really having bad time at work this week
[21:32] Well, Brian should also be able to help. =)
[21:32] ok...coz we were talking abt the uploading the hwk files so ..anyhow ok
[21:32] Anything else on the web site, Sandra?
[21:32] does anybody else has any suggestions>?
[21:33] These sorts of things usually work with first writing up a proposal, and having people throw things at it
[21:33] <_Dave_> How will the website on sourceforge differ from the Wiki?
[21:33] rather than getting ideas from people from the beginning. *grin*
[21:33] ya...can i make some format and send it across to u sandra...........in html that is
[21:34] I'm not sure yet, Dave. The wiki's convenient, but ugly.
[21:34] for the website ........
[21:34] I think we can keep using it for some tasks, and have links from the main site to certain pages in the wiki
[21:34] So things like signup sheets are good for the wiki
[21:35] but we need to have a better way to present the less-dynamic information we have.
[21:35] yes, edit is much more convinient at wiki
[21:35] Hence the web site.
[21:35] <_Ross> The problem with the wiki is that you never know if someone is edditing at the same time you are....they can easily overwrite your work
[21:35] plus ..the ease of ..........using html straight........
[21:35] ya....i like the other website idea ....
[21:36] hey sid what is ur ..last proj..link
[21:36] http://casetool.sourceforge.net
[21:36] Anything else on Topic3?
[21:37] Alright, Topic 4. Roles and Documents.
[21:37] We have a few documents that need people...
[21:37] Vision statement, Glossary and the Add Table use case.
[21:38] The first should be pretty easy.
[21:38] Isn't there already Vision Statement?
[21:38] It's not formalized.
[21:38] I can do the use case
[21:38] Ok
[21:38] (after everybody uploads their homeworks :)
[21:38] * soniaka has quit IRC (Unknown)
[21:38] Ours are uploaded.
[21:38] i will do glossary
[21:39] Ross and I.
[21:39] Ok
[21:39] <_Ross> guess she doesn't want to upload her homework :)
[21:39] dave will
[21:39] Or her ISP doesn't want her to. =)
[21:39] <_Dave_> I will be uploading our HW2 tonight
[21:39] * brians has joined #dbvis
[21:39] Welcome, Brian. We're on topic 4.
[21:39] OK I am the guilty party for me and Sonia's work. Will do it tonite.
[21:40] i finally made it, wow
[21:40] :)
[21:40] only took an hour
[21:40] *counts names on the list*
[21:41] * soniaka has joined #dbvis
[21:41] Abhay!
[21:41] :))
[21:41] sonia dropped off..
[21:41] Abhay gets to do the Vision Statement.
[21:41] nope got disconnected ....
[21:41] i have a bad connection ..plus the call wait on my phone restarts my comp
[21:41] Abhay = Guest98481
[21:42] ok....isd the website ...addres pls ....
[21:42] Abhay, type: /nick _Abhay_
[21:42] Which web site?
[21:42] * Guest98481 is now known as _abhay_
[21:42] <_abhay_> Thnaks!
[21:42] ur old proj
[21:43] http://casetool.sourceforge.net
[21:43] <_abhay_> Do we get RUP docs by doing the 30 day trial ?
[21:43] Yes.
[21:43] * _abhay_ is now known as Guest27023
[21:43] I did download all their MS Word templates tho
[21:43] <_Ross> why don't we post everything in html?
[21:43] So as long as everyone who doesn't sign up for their trial has access to Word, that shouldn't be a problem.
[21:43] can u zip it and send..across..coz sid
[21:44] There you go, it's not fancy but it's index page. ;) http://jdbv.sourceforge.net/
[21:44] * Guest27023 is now known as abhaysathe
[21:44] coz even the links that u put on wiki lead to a login page......
[21:44] Because HTML isn't that nice for big text editing.
[21:44] this is annoying.. how man abhay's are there ?
[21:44] Yes, and if you signup for the RUP trial, you get a login that lets you get to the real page.
[21:44] <_Ross> ...good point...
[21:44] Can somebody put templates on the website?
[21:45] Yes, I'll put them up.
[21:45] i have a login..nut i could not understand as to what the page tht i should be looking at
[21:45] but i meant
[21:45] thanks
[21:45] The links lead to the specific pages that describe what those documents are.
[21:46] A good way to use them is to first click on one to log in, then after you've logged in, click on the link again to get to the right page.
[21:46] what's the link to our wiki page, i don't have the agenda in front of me
[21:46] http://wiki.cs.uiuc.edu/SEcourse/Database+Visualizer%3A+Project+Management
[21:47] <_Dave_> http://wiki.cs.uiuc.edu/SEcourse/Database+Visualizer%3A+Project+Management
[21:47] thanks
[21:47] i have login ......with the profile it lets me log in from other place ..but not from the link that u have set up on wiki sid ....
[21:47] Did you signup for the correctlogin? The one for RUP trial
[21:48] i signed up for a document but didn't check link
[21:48] I think they have multiple account systems. One is for "Rational members". The one we want is for a 30 day free trial of RUP.
[21:48] do they all work in rup
[21:48] ok...i made some profile...isnt that the same ...
[21:48] I've always hated the Rational site.
[21:48] it is quite complicated like their process
[21:48] Overly so. =)
[21:49] Figures. Rational Rose is about as usable.
[21:49] :))
[21:49] Anyway, if people keep having trouble getting to the Rational site, I still have links to a Russian mirror
[21:49] which is probably illegal.
[21:49] so whats the software that we should download for trial ..there r so many of them
[21:49] It's very slow, but you don't need a login.
[21:49] <_Ross> I here you have to document your own login process
[21:49] what ?
[21:49] You don't have to download anything for the trial. You fill in a profile
[21:50] and they give you a login that works for 30 days.
[21:50] All web based
[21:50] i did that......
[21:50] Oh, hell, just use mine. =)
[21:50] i have a profile..it has sonia kaura wirtten in orange
[21:50] Wrong one.
[21:50] and it does not let me enter the page that i should be seeing
[21:51] If you click on one of those links, it should read "Evaluation Login"
[21:51] ok
[21:51] Does it?
[21:51] Well, anyway... if it doesn't, you want to go: home->Products->Rational Unified Process
[21:52] dunno where it is ?? i will look at it later god...ok
[21:52] At the left there's a menu item called Free Eval
[21:52] Then there's a little image-link labeled "Try It"
[21:52] Ugh...
[21:52] Rational sucks. I'll explain in an email
[21:52] ok.....thats enough
[21:52] Any other questions on documents?
[21:53] I have a due date listed as this Wednesday.
[21:53] ya .....lots if only i could see them..will we upload them to the website
[21:53] We just need to have a sorta-thought-out version by then.
[21:53] That would be nice. Sandra, can you setup a place for us to drop them?
[21:54] dircotry templates?
[21:54] why are we only doing three of our use cases?
[21:54] is that all we need for this iteration?
[21:54] Those are the most important ones.
[21:54]