Meeting 8 - Chat Session

Session Start (katana.webchat.org:#dbvis): Tue Dec 03 07:30:23 2002
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<Sid_Ross> You have control over your firewall, Brian?
<_Dave_> Sonia - want to do the log tonight?
<brians> nope i work for the university and they do, i can maybe talk to someone
<soniaka> ya no prob
<brians> my isp is through the university network as well
<brians> so it doesn't work at home either
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<soniaka> hey ross ..i have still not been able to get the CVS thing working........may be i have a really poor connection
<brians> i can probably copy from sourceforge to my local pc in the meantime i guess
<jiamei> I did that first time
<jiamei> i mean down load to sourceforge my folder
<brians> i guess i could copy back to sourceforge then check back in to cvs??
<jiamei> i am trying to get it to my pc now
<Sid_Ross> Lemme try something with the uiuc server...
<jiamei> sourceforge has limited space, i tried uiuc still connection time out
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<SandraFaust> Hi
<soniaka> hi
<Sid_Ross> Hey, everyone. Let's get started.
<Sid_Ross> I'll have to look into the CVS thing later.
<soniaka> ok
<Sid_Ross> Ross asks Sonia to stick around after the meeting
<Sid_Ross> To try to get cvs running
<soniaka> ok...
<Sid_Ross> Just fyi, we're in phase 2 of elaboration.
<Sid_Ross> So we'll be revisitng all the documnets
<SandraFaust> thanks
<brians> we should take advantage with hw3
<SandraFaust> yes
<Sid_Ross> Ayup.
<jiamei> we still need a lot of coding
<soniaka> whats the last date for the proj..etc to be submitted
<SandraFaust> we need design
<Sid_Ross> Ross is going to be taking on a bit of the coding.
<jiamei> i was going to ask
<Sid_Ross> We have the design for a lot of it.
<Sid_Ross> Ross made that whole Software Architecture Document that hasn't been put on the web site.
<Sid_Ross> It needs to be on there asap.
<brians> send it to me
<SandraFaust> where is it?
<Sid_Ross> He sent it out awhile ago
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<abhaysathe> better
<Sid_Ross> Welcome, Abhay
<abhaysathe> huh, who said that ?(wakes up)
<Sid_Ross> Ross handed it off to Sonia (he believes) for final editing.
<soniaka> noo i did not get any final doc from ross..there was one from jian i remember
<brians> well, whoever just send to your webmasters for posting
<jiamei> yes i sent it back to you and ross for checking
<SandraFaust> yup
<Sid_Ross> Ross sent it to Jianmei. Jianmei sent it to Sonia.
<brians> we eat up documentation
<soniaka> ok.
<Sid_Ross> Ok, so anyway, Sonia has the latest version.
<Sid_Ross> please get it on the site.
<SandraFaust> speaking of which, all documents submissions to the site should go thourugh us now
<Sid_Ross> Ok
<soniaka> i will send it to Sandra..i thought may be webmasters had a copy
<Sid_Ross> We've been thinking that the site needs to be prettied up.
<Sid_Ross> Because it's what we're going to primarily "hand in" to the prof, it needs to look good.
<SandraFaust> sure, send it to both of us, whoever get a chance will post it first
<Sid_Ross> And right now it's a bit disorganized.
<brians> the docs have been straightened up since yesterday, have you looked?
<Sid_Ross> Yes, the documents page looks GOOD
<SandraFaust> we did some work over the weekend
<soniaka> there have been prj criteria...etc for RUP....on wiki
<Sid_Ross> the rest of the site isn't quite as pretty
<brians> we need roles defined as well, that was part of the grading criteria
<Sid_Ross> Alright, we'll need to revisit the list I wrote up.
<Sid_Ross> As it's now obsolete.
<Sid_Ross> And when that's done, we'll prolly want it on the main web site page
<brians> i agree
<brians> where else are we weak on the site you were referring to?
<SandraFaust> what other parts of the website you are concernded about?
<Sid_Ross> The FAQ isn't really a FAQ
<SandraFaust> true
<Sid_Ross> Some parts are out of date
<Sid_Ross> and other subheadings are misleading.
<Sid_Ross> We have it written up better in a file I'll send out
<brians> i'll poke through it and reorganize with Sandra
<SandraFaust> ok, sounds good, the list you sent us before is completed
<Sid_Ross> ok. please try to get that done before the next meeting.
<SandraFaust> no problem
<brians> ok
<Sid_Ross> One of the bigger items for the web site updating is keeping old versions of the documents.
<SandraFaust> are we supposed to keep old versions?
<Sid_Ross> We don't have to have fancy pages for the history tracking--directories are good enough.
<Sid_Ross> I think it'd be good to be able to show the prof that we have some old versions and we did do updates to them
<brians> i agree, it looks good for the professor
<SandraFaust> ok
<jiamei> a question i have two version glossary, will should they go, one inception one elaboration
<brians> we just don't have that many old copies yet, a lot are originals
<Sid_Ross> So on the docs page, we have the existing "current version" link and a link to a directory that contains the older versions
<Sid_Ross> I know, which is good that we're setting it up now instead of later.
<brians> we'll keep that in mind
<Sid_Ross> Don't think of them as "inception" and "elaboration" jianmei. Think of them as just v1.0 and v1.1
<brians> definitely important for next sem
<Sid_Ross> Yes, we can keep them both in the appropriate history directory on the server
<SandraFaust> how about if each document has a directoy with its hitories, and add a link of the table to that dir for each doc?
<Sid_Ross> Good!
<Sid_Ross> Do that Sandra
<SandraFaust> ok
<Sid_Ross> General structure of this meeting is that I've come up with things to do and who can do them.
<Sid_Ross> And hopefully ya'll won't dislike it. =)
<Sid_Ross> Brian, Sandra, work on the web site.
<SandraFaust> yes, sir!
<brians> aye, aye
<Sid_Ross> Additionaly, Brian, we (Ross and I) did a review of the use case model.
<Sid_Ross> Sent you an email with the updates.
<brians> ok
<Sid_Ross> Added Undo and Redo use cases (since the prof seemed to like those in his lecture)
<Sid_Ross> and some other changes.
<Sid_Ross> Jianmei, can you work on some use cases?
<jiamei> sure
<brians> do i need to change the doc structure for the use case model??
<jiamei> which one
<Sid_Ross> The image needs to be changed
<brians> i just kind of borrowed yours from before sid
<brians> i mean the headings and all of that fancy stuff
<Sid_Ross> Maybe categorizing the diagram into multiple diagrams would make it easier to fit everything on the page
<Sid_Ross> pages...
<Sid_Ross> not really. Do as you think you need to, Brian
<SandraFaust> are we going to write use cases realization documents?
<brians> ok i'll leave it then outside of the actual model
<Sid_Ross> I never looked into use case realization docs. =)
<Sid_Ross> Ross is now. We'll come back to it. =)
<Sid_Ross> Jianmei, use cases: undo, redo, import schema.
<SandraFaust> I guess it's just a design doc where you put all related design for a use case, I think it makes senses
<jiamei> ok
<Sid_Ross> Sonia started a use case for the last one that you can look through
<jiamei> it will be better if i can see use case model update
<Sid_Ross> Yea, it sorta does, Sandra. Lets' come back to it
<Sid_Ross> Well, the changes aren't going to be very much, Jianmei.
<Sid_Ross> What you're concerned with mainly about the import schema is making a general use case for importing ANY schema
<Sid_Ross> so it won't be very detailed.
<jiamei> i would like to see the whole picture how undo etc fit into it
<Sid_Ross> In particular it needs to mention displaying the list of import types that are available, having the user pick one, and doing the details of the import from there
<Sid_Ross> Undo and Redo are just initiated by the user.
<Sid_Ross> No interaction with other actors.
<Sid_Ross> (or use cases)
<Sid_Ross> Ok, Jianmei?
<jiamei> ok
<jiamei> i will e-mail you later if i have question, ok?
<Sid_Ross> Yep!
<jiamei> thanks
<Sid_Ross> Oh, FYI everyone... I'll be out of town Wed-Fri, so email Ross if you need a faster response. =)
<Sid_Ross> abhay... We did some use case reviews for you too. email was sent.
<abhaysathe> ok I'll look up after the meeting
<Sid_Ross> did we ever get the use cases prioritized?
<Sid_Ross> I'll take that as a 'no'.
<abhaysathe> no, when should we do it ?
<Sid_Ross> Howabout this week? =)
<jiamei> i guess in architeck, sonia mentioned, right?
<abhaysathe> works, but aren'y we adding some more ?
<Sid_Ross> Abhay, can you writeup the list?
<Sid_Ross> Yes, Brian is going to be adding more.
<Sid_Ross> And changing some, so you'll be impacted by it.
<abhaysathe> yes, and will send the first prioritized draft too.
<Sid_Ross> We don't have one. =)
<Sid_Ross> But here's a first draft:
<Sid_Ross> High priority: Start app, end app
<Sid_Ross> Next high: import schema, create diagram, add table to diagram, remove table from diagram
<Sid_Ross> Include in that list: Import schema from SQL file
<abhaysathe> i think we should just have import from sql in that list
<Sid_Ross> Lower priority: query building and execution stuff
<Sid_Ross> Lowest priority: print, undo, redo
<brians> load saved schema
<abhaysathe> import from oracle being lower, with print etc.
<Sid_Ross> By "import schema" on nexthigh I meant the general use case which sets up the framework for importing schemas from any source
<abhaysathe> agree
<Sid_Ross> Yea. We'll have import from oracle (or databases in general) as lowest priority
<Sid_Ross> Alright, Abhay?
<abhaysathe> allright
<abhaysathe> we just did prioritization draft one :)
<Sid_Ross> lol
<Sid_Ross> revision 0.1, alright?
<abhaysathe> is there a template for that?
<Sid_Ross> copy paste.
<abhaysathe> ok:)
<Sid_Ross> Sonia!
<soniaka> ya....what ?
<Sid_Ross> use cases: import schema from SQL file and import schema from database
<Sid_Ross> You found the correct format/template for the use cases, right?
<soniaka> i have to code for this ...or do sometother documentation?
<Sid_Ross> Documentation
<soniaka> ya i did ..!
<Sid_Ross> Good!
<Sid_Ross> Can you figure those out, Sonia?
<soniaka> but tell me its name...!! :) import schema is fine ...
<soniaka> so what all are the databases that we will cover..onyl ORACLE
<Sid_Ross> The name of the template or the use cases?
<Sid_Ross> The use cases are higher level than that.
<soniaka> ok
<Sid_Ross> You only care that it's a database. It takes connection info. It tries to connect.
<Sid_Ross> Alrighty?
<soniaka> alrighty !
<abhaysathe> (a little confusd) is this iter 1 or 2 of elaboration ?
<Sid_Ross> Email me if you have questions.
<Sid_Ross> This is iteration 2.
<SandraFaust> btw, for import, I was thinking importing for a dir (each file), and from a file
<Sid_Ross> Iteration 1 was when we sort of wrote up all those docs we have now.
<SandraFaust> from a directory
<soniaka> i think one file makes a lot of sense
<Sid_Ross> For simplicity, lets assume one file.
<abhaysathe> I can overload the import signature for dir or file
<Sid_Ross> You can talk with Sandra since she has DB experience and has been looking into this stuff, Sonia
<SandraFaust> sql server will export you tables in separate files
<Sid_Ross> nonono...
<Sid_Ross> The importDescription or whatever I called it provides a GUI panel to the applcation
<Sid_Ross> that GUI panel is specific to the importer and handles getting the specific inputs from the user
<Sid_Ross> so that GUI panel would show a file picker for the SQL file importer
<Sid_Ross> or a connection info window for the DB importer
<abhaysathe> morphing!
<Sid_Ross> Yea
<soniaka> i had another quo.....do we have to do separate template for this elaboration phase ?....
<Sid_Ross> No, same template as with the other use cases.
<soniaka> ok
<SandraFaust> ok, should we just stick to one file now, and keep import from a dir as a separate import option that might be implemented down the road
<Sid_Ross> we're just creating new use cases or updating existing ones.
<Sid_Ross> Let's forget about import directory altogether and save ourselves some work we know we won't ever do?
<SandraFaust> ok
<Sid_Ross> If anything, a person can manually put multiple text files into one that the importer will like.
<SandraFaust> sounds good to me
<abhaysathe> that's a good protping approach
<abhaysathe> prototyping
<Sid_Ross> David, I'd like you to do some proofreading of the documents.
<SandraFaust> sonia, what happened to the risk document?
<_Dave_> No problem.
<abhaysathe> we need to update it much. I think it is on me ?
<Sid_Ross> We noticed a lot of inconsistencies between the different authors' styles: particularly headers and whether it's called jdbv or dbviz
<_Dave_> What is the official name?
<soniaka> actually i wanted to add some more risks !! so i will do that ..and send it acrosss..i have a lot fo docs to send to u ..i will by ur tommorow
<Sid_Ross> And there're also some errors, such as incorrect titles on some files.
<Sid_Ross> "dbViZ" (case sensitive)
<Sid_Ross> anyone who wants to write risks, feel free to do so.
<abhaysathe> then how about renaming the main class?
<soniaka> i make it garamond font and embossed and bold also
<Sid_Ross> No, let's not. Renaming in CVS is messy. We'll just have everything that's user-visible be "dbViZ" and internal things be jdbv
<abhaysathe> no 'cleartool move'?
<Sid_Ross> nope. cvs is old and sucky that way. But it's also free. =)
<brians> free is good!
<Sid_Ross> Ok, David?
<_Dave_> Sounds good. Is that all for me?
<Sid_Ross> You probably want to work with the authors since they'll be editing files.
<Sid_Ross> It's sorta a huge task. We've got about 20 documents now...
<_Dave_> True...
<brians> remember to update the version and send to sandra and I
<brians> can we agree on standard version of 1.0, 1.1, 1.2 etc...?
<brians> sid, it looked like some of your versions where different
<soniaka> ya have been using that only
<Sid_Ross> I say leave it simple. Start at 1.0, count up 1.1, 1.2, 1.3.... 1.20, 1.21...
<Sid_Ross> We probably could come up with a fancier numbering scheme, but I don't think it's worth the trouble
<Sid_Ross> I'll be looking over the documents also, performing my own reviews
<abhaysathe> I'll take up one update of risk list with rup templates
<Sid_Ross> i plan to print them out tomorrow afternoon. If you have new versions that aren't on the site, please email it to me before tomorrow afternoon
<Sid_Ross> Sounds good
<Sid_Ross> I'll also try to get those iteration plans done (been saying that for weeks now...)
<abhaysathe> sonia plase mail me your update of risks, i'll add them
<soniaka> hey abhya i have done some update on risk i was going to sent it to sandra..will send it to u too if ur doing update of risk doc
<abhaysathe> touche
<Sid_Ross> Ross is going to be working on code. All code that everyone's written. Please send to Ross tonight.
<Sid_Ross> and about that 'import' --> 'imports' renaming... fine.
<Sid_Ross> needs to be done, so we'll do it.
<abhaysathe> ok thanks
<Sid_Ross> Any questions?
<jiamei> two
<jiamei> for HW3 what kind of doc we want them to review
<abhaysathe> everyone got their hw3 buddies ?
<brians> probably use cases and class diagrams
<Sid_Ross> Doesn't really matter, Jianmei. They can review whatever they want, and each group can review different.
<abhaysathe> they said 3 hours worth of material
<Sid_Ross> But yes, I think a relatively straightforward way is to review how they went from use cases to architecture
<Sid_Ross> which is where use case realization docs would come in handy...
<jiamei> so all use cases plus archi
<soniaka> but we have not done realization docs
<Sid_Ross> To keep it practical, maybe just a few of the highest priority use cases
<Sid_Ross> Yes, which is something they can review and say "you suck".
<brians> "you suck" will get you a good grade
<Sid_Ross> It's better to give them something that is flawed that they can make criticisms about.
<abhaysathe> most al others are on wiki, we are on sourcefrge, kinda cool.
<jiamei> ok, I will e-mail you later sid
<Sid_Ross> Oh! do we have a link to the web site on the wiki?
<brians> yes, we are experienced grad students
<Sid_Ross> If we don't, webmasters please make sure we do!!
<abhaysathe> added that
<jiamei> another one what else do we need to do before the deadline for this semester for this project
<SandraFaust> thanks, I've been wondering who added it :)
<jiamei> what is the deadline? who knows?
<abhaysathe> iteration 2 ?
<Sid_Ross> I'm primarily worried about getting a prototype done, which is why I'm letting Ross take on a bit of it.
<Sid_Ross> And generally, as long as we continue fleshing out documentation, we're ok.
<Sid_Ross> *crosses his fingers*
<brians> nice documentation that has been modified a few times would be good too.
<brians> and easy for the prof to get to
<abhaysathe> ross, feel free to ask me to add functions the the skeleton
<SandraFaust> btw, I posted the SQL grammar spec, and a test db
<Sid_Ross> Yes, I saw that. Good work
<abhaysathe> where?
<Sid_Ross> what database is that for, sandra?
<SandraFaust> it's from oracle database
<Sid_Ross> Ok
<jiamei> when we suppose to code that sql parser, saudra?
<Sid_Ross> Umm, what version of Oracle
<SandraFaust> i'm making some progress on the parser
<SandraFaust> 8i
<SandraFaust> but it's going slow...
<Sid_Ross> Ross says he'll have the Schema package ready for Sandra by Wed morn.
<jiamei> we don't have much time to do it
<jiamei> there is a finial exam soon
<SandraFaust> I've seen the classes and that helpful, I was hoping to have first draft of the parser design out yesterday
<SandraFaust> guess it will happen tomorrow
<Sid_Ross> Ok. good
<Sid_Ross> any other questions?
<SandraFaust> I plan to use it for HW3 along with SQL spec to make sure that the grammar is not flawed
<brians> nope
<abhaysathe> doessandra need to look at imports.SqlImport ?
<Sid_Ross> she should be writing it....
<abhaysathe> so she need the interface then..
<Sid_Ross> Alright, everyone send your code all around and we'll see what we've got.
<SandraFaust> yes
<Sid_Ross> Ross's job is to integrate too, so that's what he's going to be doing.
<Sid_Ross> No other questions?
<Sid_Ross> Going once...
<abhaysathe> I am thinking i need add code to ImportRegistry
<abhaysathe> rihgt ?
<Sid_Ross> Yes, that should be implemented.
<Sid_Ross> It should be reading from a properties file.
<Sid_Ross> to find what importdefinitions are available
<abhaysathe> Ok i'll start harassing ross to check something in
<abhaysathe> sure
<Sid_Ross> if you can get it to compile, go ahead and check it in yourself.
<Sid_Ross> Of course, setup an "imports" directory and just ignore the existing "import" directory
<abhaysathe> pacakge name is the issue
<abhaysathe> ok
<Sid_Ross> Alright, anymore questions?
<jiamei> no
<SandraFaust> nope
<_Dave_> good to go
<Sid_Ross> Ok. Meeting adjourned.
<Sid_Ross> Thanks all for coming.
<Sid_Ross> Anyone who still needs help with CVS, stick around
<soniaka> rosss abt the CVS ....i need help
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<SandraFaust> bye bye
<Sid_Ross> Ross is taking over *hands over the keyboard*
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<brians> i have firewall probs i think
<Sid_Ross> yo yo!
<brians> any suggestions?
<Sid_Ross> ewww...brian left the seat all warm.....
<abhaysathe> ross, could you send me your ideas on hw3 later
<Sid_Ross> ...errr...honestly abhay I don't have any yet
<abhaysathe> ok, we cam emal tmorrow then..
<Sid_Ross> err...I mean, why don't you send yours first!
<jiamei> hi, ross need your help
<abhaysathe> bye all
<Sid_Ross> yup I'm here what's up yo
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<soniaka> well th commands for accessing the cvs does not work...i dont even get connectd to the cvs ?
<brians> did you set your path to point to cvs.exe?
<soniaka> cvs -z3 -d:ext:soniakaura@cvs.jdbv.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/jdbv co jdbv ................ya i did
<Sid_Ross> did you set CVS_RSH
<brians> i get can't connect to server errors
<soniaka> this command does not work....i have the variable set for the SSH thing also.....
<brians> set CVS_RSH=ssh2 is it?
<Sid_Ross> and have you installed ssh??
<brians> have it installed
<brians> any settings on ssh itself?
<Sid_Ross> no you shouldn't have to...
<soniaka> ssh i have it installed....? but i am confused ..i have been using the this SSH secure transfer for a long time...
<jiamei> i set up SSH a year ado, should I use new version?
<Sid_Ross> brian here's a quick check to see if everything is kosher with ssh..
<Sid_Ross> type ssh2 command line
<Sid_Ross> you should get
<Sid_Ross> warning: No arguments.
<Sid_Ross> Type ssh2 -h for help.
<Sid_Ross> if you set up ssh a year ago, It might not be ssh2
<soniaka> i dont get anythin....its not a recgnized command
<brians> i get what you get Ross
<soniaka> so what should i do ? where should i install the SSH
<Sid_Ross> ok. That means ssh is not set up correctly for you sonia
<soniaka> but my ftp and telnet software works properly
<Sid_Ross> ...well, it should install itself and place it in the path. Try reinstalling it sonia
<Sid_Ross> is your ftp and telnet software funning through ssh?
<soniaka> whats the diff ?
<soniaka> its has been running ....otherwise ..i would have had trouble accessing UIUC account
<Sid_Ross> are you sshing into uiuc?
<Sid_Ross> what command do you use to do that?
<Sid_Ross> hmm...Brian try this
<soniaka> i dont use the command...on the cmd window..i use the software......u know..the SSH software...and i type the name of the server ....just like u had given the instruction for the jdbv etc thing
<brians> try??
<Sid_Ross> set USER_NAME to your user name for sourceforge
<Sid_Ross> (or if you want I can try doing all this and we
<Sid_Ross> ll see if it is actually the firewall
<Sid_Ross> then set CVS_RSH=ssh2
<Sid_Ross> then set CVSROOT=%USER_NAME%@cvs.jdbv.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/jdbv
<Sid_Ross> all this needs to be done in a DOS shell
<Sid_Ross> you should be able to then do a cvs checkout jdbv
<Sid_Ross> ok, sorry, back to sonia
<Sid_Ross> (jinamei you there?)
<jiamei> when i check out in dos, it said: can not start server via rsh: no such file or directory
<Sid_Ross> sonia. Type path and tell me what you have
<soniaka> ok
<Sid_Ross> hmmm........jiamei, when does it say that?
<jiamei> when i type cvs -z3 -d:etc
<Sid_Ross> and jiamei what happens when you type ssh2?
<soniaka> %SystemRoot%\system32;%SystemRoot%;%SystemRoot%\system32\WBEM;D:\TEXMF\miktex\bin;D:\Program Files\Objective Caml\bin;D:\sml\bin;D:\Program Files\Microsoft Visual Studio\VC98\Bin;D:\ORBACUS\bin;D:\jdk1.3\bin;D:\jdk1.3\lib;D:\jdk1.3\includeD:\TEXMF\miktex\bin;D:\Program Files\Objective Caml\bin;D:\sml\bin;D:\Program Files\Microsoft Visual Studio\VC98\Bin;D:\ORBACUS\bin;F:\jd1.3\bin;F:\jdk1.3\lib;D:\Program Files\SSH Communications Security;F:\CVS.........................
<Sid_Ross> ahhh!!!!
<jiamei> bad command
<Sid_Ross> ok, jiamei so ssh2 isn't in your path.
<Sid_Ross> that's what's holdin you up
<brians> okay, i've set up the variables, what the checkout command?
<Sid_Ross> cvs checkoug
<jiamei> how? ross
<Sid_Ross> cvs checkout
<Sid_Ross> jiamei hold up a sec
<Sid_Ross> sonia
<Sid_Ross> check to see if ssh2 is in D:\Program Files\SSH Communications Security
<brians> C:\Documents and Settings\Brian Schoudel>cvs checkout
<brians> cvs [checkout aborted]: must specify at least one module or directory
<Sid_Ross> good!
<Sid_Ross> do cvs checkout jdbv
<Sid_Ross> that should work
<soniaka> yup.............there is no ssh.exe..........there is SshClient.exe...
<jiamei> d or C
<Sid_Ross> ok, sonia, try setting cvs_rsh to sshclient
<Sid_Ross> SET CVS_RSH=SshClient
<soniaka> ok
<brians> it is working, you are the man ross!!
<Sid_Ross> oh yeah!
<Sid_Ross> who da man!
<Sid_Ross> Ross Da man!
<Sid_Ross> Stop! hammertime!
<brians> why does this work and not before??
<Sid_Ross> errrr....
<Sid_Ross> I don't know.
<Sid_Ross> Good news though!
<brians> yes thank you.
<Sid_Ross> Just modify your userSetup.bat and you'll never need to deal with that shit again
<Sid_Ross> all you'll need to do is run setup.bat and then you can cvs away easily
<Sid_Ross> ok. sorry.
<Sid_Ross> jiamei
<brians> thanks, i'm signing off
<jiamei> ross, i checked C/program file, SSH security is there
<Sid_Ross> in your path you mean?
<soniaka> an after setting the CVS_RSH what do i do ?
<Sid_Ross> the cvs checkout thing you were trying before
<jiamei> i mean the folder is in the disk C
<soniaka> with that command cvs ...ok !
<Sid_Ross> ok what's your path jiamei?
<Sid_Ross> sonia? it works??
<soniaka> nope...a moment...i have to set the CVS root also
<jiamei> you mean what i am currently in?
<Sid_Ross> that will be:
<Sid_Ross> set CVSROOT=%USER_NAME%@cvs.jdbv.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/jdbv
<Sid_Ross> where user_name is your user name
<jiamei> you mean what i am currently in? C
<jiamei> you mean I am currently in C
<Sid_Ross> Nope. Your path means what directories windows will look in when trying to execute a program
<jiamei> oops i did not see thw word
<Sid_Ross> type "path" on the command line
<jiamei> pretty mess
<Sid_Ross> give it to me
*** Signoff: brians (QUIT: User exited)
<Sid_Ross> (sorry, I say that to all the girls_
<soniaka> cvs -z3 -d:ext:soniakaura@cvs.jdbv.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/jdbv co jdbv
<soniaka> is this the command
<Sid_Ross> looks good sonia
<Sid_Ross> run that in the directory you want jdbv to be installed
<Sid_Ross> it will take a while if you have a slow connection
<soniaka> noooo ..it does not work
<Sid_Ross> what does it say
<soniaka> whats this jdbv co jdbv for
<jiamei> path=C:\pagemGR\imgfolio;
<Sid_Ross> is that all jiamei???
<jiamei> not yet
<jiamei> i am typing
<jiamei> slow
<Sid_Ross> copy and paste!
<jiamei> i can not copy
<Sid_Ross> ????? why not?
<Sid_Ross> sonia, what's goin on?
<soniaka> it goves methe usage of cvs
<jiamei> ms-dos prompt, I ctrl c, nothing happended
<Sid_Ross> try right clicking on the window
<soniaka> i dont think setting the CVS_RSH to SshClient worked
<Sid_Ross> ok sonia do this:
<Sid_Ross> set CVSROOT=%USER_NAME%@cvs.jdbv.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/jdbv
<Sid_Ross> where user_name is your source forge name
<Sid_Ross> then just run:
<soniaka> ok
<Sid_Ross> cvs checkout jdbv
<Sid_Ross> if that doesn't work, I want you to see what's in your ssh communications security directory
<Sid_Ross> if there is another directory "ssh secure shell"
<soniaka> it says ...............cannot open \CS327\HOME/.cvsignore ...Invalid argument.cannot start server via rsh ....no such file
<jiamei> C:\PAGRMGR\IMGFOLIO; C:\pagemgr; C:\WINDOWS C:\windows; C:windows\COMMAND
<Sid_Ross> go into that directory i just put
<Sid_Ross> is that all jiamei?
<jiamei> yes
<Sid_Ross> did you install ssh?
<jiamei> yes
<Sid_Ross> huh...
<jiamei> inside C/program file
<Sid_Ross> do me a favor and go into that ssh directory
<jiamei> i am there
<Sid_Ross> once you are there try to find another directory ssh secure shell
<Sid_Ross> is that there?
<jiamei> yes
<Sid_Ross> ok go in there
<Sid_Ross> is ssh2.exe there?
<jiamei> no
<Sid_Ross> really...
<jiamei> C:\Program Files\SSH Communications Security\SSH Secure Shell i am here
<Sid_Ross> are there any executables there?
<jiamei> no ssh2.exe
<Sid_Ross> did you install the version of ssh that I sent out?
<jiamei> no i used the old version
<Sid_Ross> that's the problem jiamei
<Sid_Ross> install it with a new version
<jiamei> guess i have to delete it update new one
<Sid_Ross> that will be easiest
<jiamei> ok, take some time
<soniaka> whats that version......
<Sid_Ross> I have no idea at this point. I sent it out over a month ago...hold on I'll go check
<Sid_Ross> secure shell 3.2.0
<soniaka> i have the same version..already ..ross ..but it does not ssh.exe
<soniaka> i had downloaded it from the UIUC site
<Sid_Ross> hmm... all I can tell you is that you need to find either ssh.exe or ssh2.exe
<soniaka> ok
<Sid_Ross> without them in your path you wont be able to use sourceforge
<Sid_Ross> get one of them in your path
<Sid_Ross> set CVS_RSH to the file name
<Sid_Ross> then run the checkout
<soniaka> u dont use cygwin etc by any chance .....right ?
<Sid_Ross> I do, but not for this
<Sid_Ross> we decided to develop under windows to make life easier for people who've never used cygwin before
<soniaka> ya...ok
<Sid_Ross> also, cygwin has problems with development sometimes due to oddities in directories
<Sid_Ross> like when / = \
<soniaka> an ross what version of cvs is there at sourceforge any idea ?
<Sid_Ross> no clue
<Sid_Ross> the one I emailed out works fine
<soniaka> ok
<Sid_Ross> how's it going you two?
<soniaka> i guess i will have to do a re-install ....if u r getting late ross..may be i could mail across if i have any porbs
<soniaka> prblems i meant
<Sid_Ross> well, i'll be around for another 30 mins or so. If you have an y problems leave me a message and I'll get to it (I'm leaving my computer, but I'll check back every 5 mins or so)
<soniaka> ok...
<jiamei> ross, i reinstall ssh, ssh2 now in the folder, still same problem
<Sid_Ross> is the location of ssh2 in your path?
<jiamei> what do you mean
<jiamei> it is in the folder of C:\Program Files\SSH Communications Security\SSH Secure Shell
<Sid_Ross> when you type path. does C:\Program Files\SSH Communications Security\SSH Secure Shell
<Sid_Ross> show up?
<Sid_Ross> it needs to
<jiamei> let me try
<jiamei> no, should I reboot?
<Sid_Ross> just open a new dos terminal
<jiamei> ok
<Sid_Ross> is it in the path?
<jiamei> no
<Sid_Ross> well add it to the path
<Sid_Ross> do you know how?
<jiamei> help please
<jiamei> how
<Sid_Ross> type this
<Sid_Ross> set path=%path%;C:\Program Files\SSH Communications Security\SSH Secure Shell
<Sid_Ross> any luck?
<jiamei> too many parameters
<Sid_Ross> ???
<jiamei> it said so
<Sid_Ross> hmm...what version of windows are you running?
<jiamei> 2000
<Sid_Ross> and you are using a dos shell?
<jiamei> yes
<Sid_Ross> funky works for me....
<Sid_Ross> hmm...
<Sid_Ross> did you just copy and paste? could you have mistyped?
<jiamei> let me check again
<jiamei> oops
<Sid_Ross> :)
<jiamei> still how can i copy and paste?
<Sid_Ross> are you using mirc?
<jiamei> yes, i paste it, still too many parameter
<jiamei> yes mirc
<Sid_Ross> ....
<Sid_Ross> I really have no clue then jiamei. I'm feelin fried as well
<Sid_Ross> you know what?
<Sid_Ross> here's another solution
<Sid_Ross> go into the ssh secure shell directory
<jiamei> ok
<Sid_Ross> check to see if you can run ssh2 there
<jiamei> how
<Sid_Ross> type ssh2
<jiamei> where to type I am currently in window